Trump Subverts Gag Order with Wannabe VPs

Joe Biden surprises Donald Trump with a debate challenge, and Trump accepts. Tommy and MSNBC’s Jen Psaki discuss the strategy behind Biden’s move and how likely it is that those debates will actually happen, Trump’s courthouse surrogate operation, the latest with Israel and Gaza, and whether it’s true that Biden thinks the polls are wrong. Then, Tommy and Jen relive the best White House stories from Jen’s new book, Say More: Lessons from Work, The White House, and the World.


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  • APNEWS: Check stubs, fake receipts, blind loyalty: Cohen offers inside knowledge in Trump’s hush money trial
  • CBS: Michael Cohen faces questions from defense at Trump trial on second day of testimony
  • Forbes: Here Are All The Trump Allies And Major GOP Figures Dropping Into Hush Money Trial—But Not Melania
  • WaPo: The increasingly embarrassing details at Trump’s trial
  • Axios: Michael Cohen: Melania Trump cast Access Hollywood tape as “locker room” talk
  • The Hill: Ex-adviser: Melania Trump won’t show up at court
  • The Hill: Cohen to Haberman: ‘Please start writing and I will call you soon’
  • New Yorker: Can You Believe What Michael Cohen Just Said at the Trump Trial?
  • Politico: Trump’s Lawyers Are Making Major Mistakes




  • NBC | Haaretz: UN Says Overall Death Count in Gaza Remains Unchanged After Revising Source of Data
  • NYT: The U.N. lowered its count of women and children killed, citing incomplete information on many of the dead.
  • Reuters | Reuters: Israeli protesters block aid convoy headed to Gaza (5/7, 5/13)
  • HRW: Gaza: Israelis Attacking Known Aid Worker Locations
  • NYT: U.N. Says a Staff Member Is Killed in Rafah
  • NYT: White House Says Israel Still Has Provided No Plan to Protect Rafah Civilians
  • Reuters | Axios: Sullivan plans talks in Saudi Arabia, Israel amid tensions over Rafah
  • Reuters: White House sees no genocide in Gaza, condemns aid convoy attacks
  • NYT: Protesters Disrupt Israeli Memorial Day Events Over War Raging in Gaza (5/13)
  • NYT: Activists Hold a Ceremony Reflecting on Both Israeli and Palestinian Losses

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